Show HN: 30u30.fyi – Is your startup founder on Forbes' most fraudulent list?

dsr_

More useful for most people: is the company you are considering doing business with run by one of these fine upstanding folks?

NewsaHackO

This seems extremely mean spirited.

brcmthrowaway

The Nikola founder, and Anthony Levandowski for that matter (seems to have gone under the radar), have got to be the most egregious case of corruption and pay-for-play. It's so depressing that no one can do anything about it.

seamossfet

Some of these really don't make sense. The implication that Cursor is a fraudulent company is a little weird considering they actually have real users. Like sure, is it a VS code fork with agents stapled to it? Yes. But are they on the same scale as most of the people mentioned? Ehh probably not. It reads more like a hit piece from someone with a grudge against random SF companies than anything else.

dancerofaran

the stupidity to this is that it takes a meme and treats it like facts yes, numerous 30u30 have committed frauds, and yes this list is a paid list. but it's also full of other people who have been duped by what this list represents. compounding memes at the expense of truth just creates more problems than it solves

moomoo11

I wouldn’t work for a company where the founder/ceo was younger than 35 and had zero real world experience.

paxys

Forbes "30 under 30" actually has like 600 people a year in 20 categories, and that's just in the USA. Add in international lists and the number rises to well over 1000. Since 2011 there have probably been, what, 10-15 thousand total "honorees"? ~12 instances of fraud in total is probably significantly below the corporate average. And the "risk index" is idiotic. Basically just companies the creator doesn't like, or is jealous of.

cmiles8

It’s amusing and bemusing how these lists have become so associated with grifters and fraudsters. It’s gotten to the point that legit folks are wanting to steer clear of them simply because of the negative stigma with being seen as an XuX grifter.

dwedge

How old is this site, because most of the reference links are dead links

Lerc

What is a person who makes a site like this thinking about when they do it? What is their motivation? What are they trying to achieve?

jwpapi

Is the formula based on the actual probabilities. I’m pretty sure you could do that, but it’s not clear it it.

spullara

percentage wise they have more billionaires than frauds on the list, at least so far.

rogerkirkness

I've met several of the people on the first few pages on the watch list, and they are among the sketchiest Silicon Valley people I've met. The criteria are plausible.

czhu12

Would say, the 30 under 30 list has like 600 people, not 30. So the fraud rate is quite a bit lower than headlines of seemingly 2 / 30. Its more like 2 / 600, which is maybe the baseline fraud rate?

oefrha

> Risk Index > Mercor — 3x on 30u30 Interesting, I only know this company because they’re the leading spammer hitting my inbox in the AI job board category.

AIorNot

I'm all for the big names and ones that have proven issues and companies like Delve to be shamed But Cursor? Why they are operating in a risky space on tech that is all new what ethical things did they do to warrent inclusion in this shame board? Lets not tarnish folks either -cancel culture is worrisome there

AIorNot

We're Missing the biggest frauds of all time: https://www.whitehouse.gov/ When your president is a complete fraud and con man, the whole country is tarnished - its too late for America to bounce back, we are in end stage capitalism now that Trump and his cronies are siphoning money out of the boundaries his administration establish -no different than Putin and his oligrachs except that America still has some protections in place..

CobrastanJorji

Seems like there should be an incarcerated stamp for people who were in jail for fraud but later got out, like Shkreli.

YossarianFrPrez

Reactions to this are a bit curious. It's a satirical comment on how (presumably) initially well-intentioned younger founder-types get swept up in / by perverse incentives. The implication is that younger people who are still figuring out who they are and coming into their own may be more susceptible to these kinds of incentive traps. The first section that showcases the fraud that has been committed is something I have no problem with, just as I have no issue with web3isgoinggreat.com. The "at risk" section is based on a mathematical/algorithmic joke. This is explained by the "methodology" section below it, which makes it clear that the equation used to calculate "risk" here is not entirely unlike the Drake equation for the probability of extra-terrestrial life.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

iddan

The regular ones are okay. The watchlist is diabolical. Unvoted as soon as I saw the watchlist.