Quad9 (DNS Resolver) to Exit France

babarock

Punishing the DNS resolver is weird. Would you punish the phone book company for having the number of a criminal listed?

Onavo

Another user commented on > €580,000 to €1,000 per day. But deleted his/her comment. To put this into perspective, €365K a year is roughly the fully loaded total comp cost of a high-senior to low staff level software engineer or a mid level ML engineer at a frontier lab in Cali.

nadermx

"The plaintiff (Sony Music Entertainment GmbH) then used a VPN to access the blocked content from Germany in circumvention of the geoIP blocking. The court agreed with Sony in their assertions of noncompliance, and we were fined for contempt of court." Imagine doing everything possible to stop something. They then circumvent your protections with yet another service, and you get fined. I wish I could even suggest what someone could do against these trolls. This is like saying "we put a lock requested by court and where found guilty because plantif hacked us after"

artooro

Quad9 is getting picked on because they do not have a large financial backing. Not because it makes any logical sense. France is shooting themselves in the foot.

martinjc

Sony being sleazy again. You start to wonder why they pick on the wrong people.

gumby

Why does it matter that it’s a recursive resolver? They mention this a lot but it seems like the decision would just as much apply to a non-recursive resolver. I didn’t attempt find the ruling; perhaps the lawsuit was written in an odd way.

Felger

"There are more important reasons geoIP blocking will not work." Okay, now waiting to see how they will technically block those french users from the 24th nov onward...

JokerDan

DNS resolvers getting sued should stop resolving domains/properties of the companies suing them too when they are forced to take these kinds of actions/steps off the back of a legal decision like this.

trentor

Crazy. A company that actually exits the market they threatened to leave. Meta and Twitter should take note.

declan_roberts

Europe needs to strengthen its free speech protections. It turns out, even though the US founders had no idea what DNS was, they still created the right framework to protect it.

DemiGuru

I mentioned not too long ago that Mullvad was handing its resolver users over to Quad9. Sadly, I didn’t realize how accurate my concerns would be. Quad9 is a good operator, they actually fought Sony in a German court instead of quietly complying. Yet, they were still ordered to block the content. That’s the core problem. A blocking order is only as damaging as the resolver it impacts. Every time an operator shuts down and redirects its users to Quad9, it pools more users into one place. This makes the next blocking order even more valuable and effective for whoever files it. And now we're seeing Quad9 backing out of a market.

nish__

How have our democracies not abolished copyright law yet? These laws only serve the 1%. I have no idea why we still put up with them.

_imnothere

Time to boycott Sony, they deserve no money from anyone, and I meant anyone. They're just f*ing with people without getting anyone good stuff. Suppose they're doing this for copyright, it's not like the pirates would be stopped by a mere DNS block rule set anyway.

0x0000000

Maybe i missed it in the post, but how are they going to implement it? They mentioned geoIP is insufficient for complying with the block, so if they dont have a way to block only these domains for users in France, how will they block all requests for users in France? To be clear I dont think they should comply with the block, but i didn't grasp how they're going to block everything if they dont have a way to only block some things.

rafram

They are in a difficult position because the entire point of their DNS resolver is that it blocks malicious sites (malware, phishing, etc.). Very easy for Sony to say, why can't they add piracy to the list? They "refuse to alter or lie to you" in their DNS responses - how would a malware block be lying if those other blocks are not?

Jepacor

Welp, I've been using quad9 and I'm French, does anyone have an alternative I can switch to?

Bender

I am curious if a large number of people stood up their own DoH/DoT servers: - Would France go after each one, even if they were not operating servers physically in France? It only takes a few minutes to configure Unbound+LetsEncrypt to accept DoH+DoT internet traffic. A few minutes longer to compile support for DoQ. - Could they realistically expect individual operators of small DoH/DoT/DoQ open servers to block domains at their behest?

this_user

Whenever people talk about why you should host in the EU, this is just the most recent example for why should shouldn't.

greatgib

Sadly no-one responsible from this situation will care. French authorities and network operator will in fact prefer that you don't have alternative than using the dns servers that they are providing. So it sucks that Quad9 is closing their resolver to french IPs. If they stand by their values, they should continue to accept the requests, just leave all office and business ties with France. Similar to ofcom things against 4chan.

jeroenhd

Sports broadcasters truly are the bane of society. May they get DDoS'd during important matches until they're bankrupt.