There's no such thing as a small software team anymore

davepeck

A wise troll once said: > best weapon against complexity spirit demon is magic word: "no" In counterpoint, I believe small teams can remain small. Small teams can ship simple monoliths with high velocity, commit count, and quality. Service orientation didn’t suddenly become low-cost because of agents; the boundaries between multiple services that version and deploy independently are still tricky beasts to wrangle. And it’s not clear why “running more agents” is inherently desirable or impactful; my small team’s (admittedly anecdotal) experience is that the value quickly saturates.

gulugawa

I'm a 1 person dev team who wrote frontend code that outperforms React. Is was successful because I didn't use any sort of LLM assistance.

fhub

> So Uber’s approach to modularity may have seemed extreme at the time, but it could become the new normal. I doubt it. This seems to conflate code modularity with service modularity. Moving complexity from the codebase into operations is counterintuitive to at least the way I use LLMs.

lofties

My biggest issue with these type of posts is that they never answer the "why". Hell, they don't even ask the "why". > The more modular your code, the more agents you can run OK, but why would I want to run more agents? So I can be more productive? What does this productivity lead to? And are we actually being more productive? Take a look at Bun's repo on GitHub which seems to be fully automated. Well over 5000 PRs open. What's the use? How can we justify these 5000 PRs? Over the past years, software has become considerably more shit. Are these 5000 PRs improving the quality of software? Is the end-user reaping the rewards? Are they getting better software, cheaper? The answer to all of those is going to be "no". And let's take Uber for example. They have many teams, and many more times the services. Has ride hailing become cheaper? No. Has it become more efficient? No. Nothing is getting better, but at least we're all off worse!

aussieguy1234

There's another way to get this kind of parallelism without the mess of microservices. Build a well architected monolith and be super strict on single purpose and keeping modules separated from each other.

burnto

Why not just bake an agent into every service and chat with it? Sounds more fun at least.

kstenerud

Hundreds of bots modifying thousands of microservices may sound good on the surface, but all those thousands of microservices make up an architecture and a product. Agents aren't very good at carrying the entire model in their context, so when they reason about a small piece of code, they often come up with something that hurts other parts of the code (especially as the KLOCs pile up). The complexity hasn't been replaced, only moved. And guess what's going to happen when all of these microservices become even more of a moving target than they already are? AI is capable of improving productivity, but this approach sounds more like a nightmare in the making.

throw123fgbkjgf

Pretty sure Uber ended up with thousands of microservices because they used to tie owning a service to perf and promo, and were trying to cut down the number for years. It's hilarious to see this interpreted as an intentional choice.

raincole

You can use this as a canary. The out-of-control factor = the number of parallel working agents : the number of human programmers. 1. If the factor > N, you're losing control and there will be no organizational wisdom passed down. 2. If your team can't function with the factor <= N, your architecture is way too complex. Choose N over your prior. My recommendation is 1.

franciscop

I saw the `require('gulp')` and the memories def came back. That's def how we used to do code ~10 years ago. I still don't like the multi-threaded PER PROJECT too much, I prefer having 2 projects and switching context window, I find the current tools (at least the ones I know) are a bit underwhelming for multi-threading. But I'm also trying to upgrade my knowledge. A good way I've found, since I do a lot of OSS and have my own libraries, when I find a bug in one of those libraries I can work on the same project on the main window while fixing the library on another window. I normally need to tell the main one "let's skip this for now, I'm fixing the library" meanwhile or similarly.

talon8635

I am a team of one, and I don’t use agents

marius_

There is no "small team" pushing 100PRs/day, agents or not.

_345

I'm really skeptical you can ship ~10 PRs a day per person unless these PRs are tiny pieces of one feature or all of them are tiny bugs that are each a 3 line fix that you could review instantly. Otherwise how can you confirm that the AI even did the right fix or feature correctly? That you even wanted that feature done that way?

somesortofthing

Microservices can trample on each other just as easily as monolith internals can. If anything, the friction of reconciling changes in a monolith is useful signal that conflicting changes happened, and it takes slow and flaky e2e tests to replicate in microservices. It's not like you're resolving the merge conflicts by hand.

samlinnfer

Thousands of microservices = thousands deployments that can fail, that needs to kept compatible, that needs to be able to find each other, that needs to be monitored. This is just pushing the pain downwards.

layoric

> If you have a large monolithic service where every change has to be coordinated carefully.. Microservices are WAY harder to coordinate for deployments. You end up with feature service dependencies, and you are back to the same coordination, but now harder to discover down stream dependencies..

janalsncm

Call me old school but I feel like the solution to humans clogging up the slop cannon will be for AI generated code to look more human. That is, the code should be correct but also idiomatic.

whatever1

Wait two years until we have sufficient churn of senior talent in the teams. Then all of the services will have outages daily. Only the seniors who know their systems are keeping the lights on today by keeping bs commits out. Once they burnout and quit, nobody will have a freaking clue what the LLMs have done and why services are down.

abigdog

He misses the bit about Microservices where you need to integrate changes across services and avoid undocumented API spec from your changes blowing something up. Getting alignment and so on. There are probably agentic solutions but this article misses a lot of detail and doesn't even hand wave it.

ulrikrasmussen

Is this satire? Changing your easy to maintain monolith architecture to a microservice architecture to enable parallel agent development, really? That's got to be some of the worst advice I'd heard in a long time. You will have conflicts during parallel work if people are changing features that are related. You will also get these conflicts with a microservice architecture and hundreds of independent repos, but now it is not a merge conflict because you touched the same syntax, it is a semantic conflict. And didn't Uber also have a famously slow and convoluted CI pipeline where it took an enormous amount of time and resources to build anything?