GrapheneOS project: pixel 11 no longer supports hardware memory tagging (MTE)

perarneng

What, MTE is such a promising tech and for security and now that we need all security we can get. WTF this is terrible development. You cant go backwards when the world needs getting even more secure.

bestouff

They also say that the Pixel 11 is a very very tiny improvement wrt the Pixel 10, with less RAM and more expensive. So basically they say don't buy it, wait for the Motorola phones.

newsomix9xl

"Pixel 11 series is a lot more expensive for an incremental improvement to the CPU, the same underpowered GPU and reduced RAM for the Pro base models. They finally caught up to the last generation of Qualcomm cellular radio. It's overpriced, the upgrades aren't impressive and losing MTE is appalling." I guess that's a thumbs down then?

ysnp

Can someone from AOSP/Pixel hardware security shed some light? This is strange timing, especially when the approach has been validated by Apple also.

xizst94

Lost any remaining respect for Pixel with the decisions they've made for Pixel 11. The product design and hardware teams have both tried to one up each other and who can deliver the bigger pile of steaming crap.

sdcfgy

Urgh I was about to buy one for GOS. Maybe back to iPhone it is.

dreamcompiler

Good riddance to Google. I'm happy GOS is no longer dependent on their hardware. My concern is that Motorola is a Chinese company. Sure, Pixel and Apple phones are made in China too, but they're overseen by American companies. How can we know these Motorola phones will not one day be placed on the "do not trust" list like e.g. Huawei phones?

aboringusername

It's funny how much Google lies about Android being 'secure' [1] and how much GrapheneOS, for free, improves the security of everyone with their work. Google should be, immediately, merging all patches/changes GrapheneOS makes and releasing a new build of Android to AOSP. Instead, users are subject to weak efforts to protect their security and privacy while Google parade about how good and amazing they are. They mention [1] 'This unencrypted data can be used to build user profiles or, in the hands of malicious actors'...And can't see the irony. They ARE the malicious actor and they absolutely build profiles about everyone. Whatever happened to the 'privacy sandbox' initiative again? Anyone who values Graphene's work will purchase one of their Motorola devices, whatever the cost, otherwise it seems your choices are going to be giving up more data and control to Google, because they are clearly, obviously and systematically trying to remove GOS from Pixels (lack of source code, removing hardware features, making it purposely difficult to support pixels). I predict by 2030 GrapheneOS will not support any new pixels entirely. The existing pixels will eventually die off and that will be that. [1]: https://blog.google/security/new-android-network-security-pr...

Pfhortune

Feeling like my Pixel 9 Pro was the best timed hardware buy I've made in recent years. The 10 dropped the physical SIM slot and Google started with their device tree shenanigans that year, with little to no improvements in exchange. I've got 16GB of RAM and 512GB in an ecosystem that shows every sign of regressing in capacities due to component price inflation. Very interested to see what Motorola does next year, however.

mentalgear

I wish ShiftPhone - which is fitting all my other needs - would offer a config that would work for GrapheneOS.

ahmadtbk

I'm guessing this is why the pixel 8-10 models have been in such high demand recently

Cider9986

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/41564-pixel-11-doesnt-meet-...

neilv

Fediverse link: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117179231167297908

CircuitSeuss

I have a pipe dream that Apple will pull a 180 and offer support for GrapheneOS.

g-b-r

For consistency, given all the phones GrapheneOS refused to support for not meeting their requirements, the Pixel 11 should not be supported, to my eyes. It does suck for those who already got one expecting GrapheneOS support