See also: Gemini 4 Argon - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49913571
Discussion Highlights (14 comments)
anuragdaram
Will have to check what the pricing would be for this model.
A_D_E_P_T
Trading punches in the benchmarks with Mimo v2.6 and 6.1-Sol (both very cheap!), and decidedly inferior to Opus 5.5. I'm afraid this looks unimpressive. Rather comical that they're delaying its launch "for safety reasons".
yipinwong
I am still not sold on Gemini 4 Argon yet from the chart. The price is enticing for cost per tasks, but let's see how it goes. I have montly (cheapy) sub to gemini models and has been underwelming and lowered the tier.
dom96
I'd love to run it on my benchmark but alas, Google not making it public prevents this.
godbox
What a snooze fest. Another model that does not meaningfully improve on intelligence or price compared to its peers. Google has basically announced that they've "caught up" with the rest. I think they've been doing great work in the Flash department so seeing this is... underwhelming?
ai-x
Note: Google can sell their tokens at cost if they really want to drive out competition, but long term they are better off by everyone making a healthy margin (and Google does a double-dip by also selling compute, services). So, like any optimal game theory move, they are better off not starting a price war
aliljet
It's hard to not see this as a gut punch for OpenAI. They're lead was largely captured by scoring on value (by way of reset after reset) and now they're getting eaten up on price and being bestes and equalled on performance. I'll still pay a premium for Opus 5.5 right now because it's nearly unlimited use, but Google is the quiet sleeping king Everyone is happy to watch everyone else, but I'd wager google burns more tokens through their search product than basically anyone else and now they're just quietly pacing the frontier...
algoth1
The most impressive jump for me is in the low hallucination rate, which is specially impressive given how bad Gemini current models are on this regard
dang
Related ongoing thread: Gemini 4 Argon - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49913571
jwpapi
Always the last model that gets announced is the best. The labs always know in advance.
small_model
5 points off Opus 5.5 on AA, not a good release. Falling behind and not able to catchup. Ant probably has opus 6 in the works. Fumbled so hard on this, they should have owned AI.
mlmonkey
Meanwhile I'm still being offered Gemini 3.1Pro on gemini.google.com :-D https://imgur.com/a/h96yg5t This is on a $20/mo paid plan :cry:
lhk931122
I'm not sure Google can cut in when Claude and ChatGPT already got. I'm using both, but I'll keep track of whether Google can make it good enough for me to use also this Gemini, or cancel one of the two (Claude and ChaGPT) for it.
mchusma
I’m guessing this is considered something like a C grade from Google if they are being honest with themselves. After being nowhere near the frontier for a long time, they are pre announcing a model that ranks 3rd, roughly on par with models today that are cheaper. Good for them to think about releasing to stay in the frontier game. (I do think 3.7 flash was a solid release, so they are around the conversation. And their image and audio and live models are good)
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Discussion Highlights (14 comments)
anuragdaram
Will have to check what the pricing would be for this model.
A_D_E_P_T
Trading punches in the benchmarks with Mimo v2.6 and 6.1-Sol (both very cheap!), and decidedly inferior to Opus 5.5. I'm afraid this looks unimpressive. Rather comical that they're delaying its launch "for safety reasons".
yipinwong
I am still not sold on Gemini 4 Argon yet from the chart. The price is enticing for cost per tasks, but let's see how it goes. I have montly (cheapy) sub to gemini models and has been underwelming and lowered the tier.
dom96
I'd love to run it on my benchmark but alas, Google not making it public prevents this.
godbox
What a snooze fest. Another model that does not meaningfully improve on intelligence or price compared to its peers. Google has basically announced that they've "caught up" with the rest. I think they've been doing great work in the Flash department so seeing this is... underwhelming?
ai-x
Note: Google can sell their tokens at cost if they really want to drive out competition, but long term they are better off by everyone making a healthy margin (and Google does a double-dip by also selling compute, services). So, like any optimal game theory move, they are better off not starting a price war
aliljet
It's hard to not see this as a gut punch for OpenAI. They're lead was largely captured by scoring on value (by way of reset after reset) and now they're getting eaten up on price and being bestes and equalled on performance. I'll still pay a premium for Opus 5.5 right now because it's nearly unlimited use, but Google is the quiet sleeping king Everyone is happy to watch everyone else, but I'd wager google burns more tokens through their search product than basically anyone else and now they're just quietly pacing the frontier...
algoth1
The most impressive jump for me is in the low hallucination rate, which is specially impressive given how bad Gemini current models are on this regard
dang
Related ongoing thread: Gemini 4 Argon - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49913571
jwpapi
Always the last model that gets announced is the best. The labs always know in advance.
small_model
5 points off Opus 5.5 on AA, not a good release. Falling behind and not able to catchup. Ant probably has opus 6 in the works. Fumbled so hard on this, they should have owned AI.
mlmonkey
Meanwhile I'm still being offered Gemini 3.1Pro on gemini.google.com :-D https://imgur.com/a/h96yg5t This is on a $20/mo paid plan :cry:
lhk931122
I'm not sure Google can cut in when Claude and ChatGPT already got. I'm using both, but I'll keep track of whether Google can make it good enough for me to use also this Gemini, or cancel one of the two (Claude and ChaGPT) for it.
mchusma
I’m guessing this is considered something like a C grade from Google if they are being honest with themselves. After being nowhere near the frontier for a long time, they are pre announcing a model that ranks 3rd, roughly on par with models today that are cheaper. Good for them to think about releasing to stay in the frontier game. (I do think 3.7 flash was a solid release, so they are around the conversation. And their image and audio and live models are good)