Gemini 4 Argon

babelfish

> We’ll continue to gather feedback from early testers as we iterate on guardrails before making Argon available to developers, enterprises, and consumers as soon as possible. Gemini not beating the "can't release a model" allegations

iamronaldo

Argon will launch at an introductory price of $2 per million input tokens and $10 per million output tokens, with cached input tokens priced at 95% off input token price. Wow

bottlepalm

Gemini is the model that is routinely borderline psychotic. It scares me. If we get paperclipped I won't be surprised if it's Gemini.

SwellJoe

My girlfriend, you wouldn't have met her, she lives in Canada, has seen it and she thinks Gemini 4 Argon is amazing.

kccqzy

Unfortunately it’s not actually released yet to mere mortals.

pliiight

Hate to say i will never be touching this model for anything except for youtube video understanding

linksbro

Personally, I'm waiting for Gemini Krypton, Xenon, and Radon. Jokes aside, looks like an impressive model!

jjcm

Big number results, and impressive pricing. That said it really feels like benchmarks have been hyper saturated these days. I’ll wait for hands on before getting too hyped that Google is back. It would be nice having more than just OAI / A\ in the running for SOTA top tier intelligence.

gopalv

> taking careful precautions against feeding the findings back into training so as to not risk shaping Argon’s reasoning to evade our monitoring. We strongly encourage the rest of the industry to preserve reasoning transparency in these pivotal moments of increased capabilities while navigating alignment risks, so that model thoughts remain helpful in identifying and diagnosing misalignment. This is good, but they're the slow mover due to this exact thing. Google is getting punished for not letting the models enter an echo chamber and go faster than humanly possible.

tazjin

> Argon agents are working on migrating C/C++ codebases to Rust across Google Man, I remember back in the days when the cppnext team was refusing to even consider Rust, instead looking at absurd stuff like Carbon and Swift (!), even though half of the engineering staff already knew where this was headed. I hope they got a few good promos out of the delays at least.

wewewedxfgdf

Gemini is so far behind that it is effectively useless compared to Claude. It's a surprise that Google has let themselves lose the game given their infinite cash, massive computing resource, gargantuan information store/training data, and vast number of programmers. The truckloads of ads revenue mean they don't have the single focus drive needed to win.

TacticalCoder

> Large Scale Codebase Migrations and Optimizations: Argon agents are working on migrating C/C++ codebases to Rust across Google So Google is migrating codebases from C to Rust? That is interesting...

jasonjmcghee

> 1M output token limit what about input? (Maybe I missed it)

VirusNewbie

It's fucking insanely good.

nikope

Looks like an impressive model

lanthissa

deepswe vs frontierswe spread is huge. I think that should be a really bad sign, but hope its great.

tamimio

Now AI models will turn into vaporware, a bunch of numbers on a table without even releasing the model, because it’s toooo scary to release!

LoganDark

Is there a way to use Gemini models without linking your usage to your personal Google account yet?

scirob

"Rolling out soon" don't let them hype without any release

taylorfinley

Ten days ago I had an experience with Gemini 3.8 flash that made me wonder if I was being routed to a different model under test. I was trying to use rocm with llama.cpp on my 128gb Strix Halo but could only get it to run Vulkan. I pasted the error message into agy and it proceeded to attach GDB to my GPU driver, reverse-engineer the kernel queue ioctl interface, and author an LD_PRELOAD C shim to get ROCm llama.cpp working on my Strix Halo. My jaw was hanging open the whole time. Edit to add the fix: https://gist.github.com/birep/6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c3...