U.S. appeals court upholds designation of Anthropic as supply chain risk

iamdelirium

I wonder if this is going start being abused soon. If I was Palantir or any other GOP aligned company, I would be completely against this. What's to stop a Democratic president from doing the same thing and destroying them?

infamouscow

If the CEO of any other defense contractor did this, they'd be summarily fired by the board.

petcat

I still don't fully understand what this was about. It sounds like the DoD said they wanted unrestricted access to Anthropic's models, Anthropic refused, so the Pentagon declared that they wouldn't use them at all. Isn't this basically what Anthropic wanted?

kittikitti

I agree with its designation. The security scans from Claude Mythos have been highly suspicious, wrong, and with a significant false positive rate. Claude also directly causes conflict within teams through excessive utility of "git blame" which weaponizes everyone against each other until only Claude has control. I've had very bad experiences with Claude and only Claude.

HarHarVeryFunny

Supply chain risk seems a massive over-reaction, but understandable that the government doesn't want to commit to Anthropic controlled software for any critical military application if they can't 100% rely on Anthropic support in being able to use it as they see fit.

prometheus1992

This smells like corruption to me. OpenAI has hacked several prominent entities and is allowed to do business as usual but Anthropic putting guardrails on the military's usage of AI is the national security threat while Pentagon itself said that over reliance on AI lead to that attack on school in Minab. I have also learned that OpenAI's president is a big maga donor and now I am thinking of cancelling my OpenAI membership todau and signing up with Anthropic again. Edit - i am not a OAI hater and i don't hate anyone. I am just saying Anthropic is kinda getting bullied and OAI is not being punished enough for their actions. It is time for me to support Anthropic (with my $$$) instead of OAI.

Chance-Device

I guess it’s the supreme court next. For all the downsides of losing the business of government contractors, it really would hold Anthropic to their stated values: they’ll never develop AI controlled weapons on this blacklist.

ctippett

Admittedly I still need to do some reading on the current ruling, but how this isn't seen as an open and shut case of vindictive prosecution (if that's even a thing for this branch of law?) is astounding. The administration couldn't have made it more obvious there was no merit to their designation of Anthropic.

romellem

Opinion by Katsas and Rao. For those that don’t follow this regularly, those are two of the biggest Trump hacks on the bench. I suspect this will be reversed en banc. Anthropic’s argument is really clear and easy to understand: we can’t simultaneously be a supply chain risk and also be a company the DoD demands we change our policies so they can use our models without restrictions.

ApolloFortyNine

I know everyone says this is political but it actually seems like a textbook designation. Anthropic wanted to have rules on how the military used AI, the military said no and therefore doesn't want anthropic used anywhere in their supply line. This is like a pen manufacturer not wanting their pens used to sign drone strike orders, now the military needs to have a special box of pens that don't have stipulations attached. With AI usage it would be the same thing except applied to entire product chains. It seems like it would just add more complexity to operations. You can agree with the rules anthropic wanted, but having rules set by a private company at all that apply to the military does seem fair for the military to object to. >The Department reasonably feared that Anthropic might manipulate Claude’s design to prevent it from performing national-security functions that the Department deems contractually authorized and necessary Though they'd probably put the DoD on the cybersecurity whitelist today, the very idea of the claude whitelists for certain functionality already exists and is being used by them today.

fuckinpuppers

Wtf is life just court battles back and forth for everything forever now?

ck2

for the next 800 days but really, they all are, look what Grok did to hundreds of Iranian children * https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5928204-pentagon-musk-...

gip

I don’t agree with the decision, but I don’t think courts should be able to easily overturn the federal government’s findings when it comes to national security in a specific decision like this.

f8ght

Is this something to do with anthropic model being used to kill 150 children in school bomb via palantir?

FlyingBears

This is more about wringing Anthropic's hand to agree for handful of defense companies to be the official AI translators to government.

theturtle

Posted this in the wrong thread. Anthropic isn't stopping me from getting Chinese parts, Yukon Jack and good Cadbury chocolate. trump is. Designate him!

myko

Absolute clown show in the US right now

cosmicgadget

The hidden upside for Anthropic is now they won't be forced to refer to AI as "SI".

promptsphereeee

Genuine question: does anyone know what concrete obligations this designation actually imposes? Everyone's arguing about the politics but I haven't seen a clear explanation of what Anthropic is now legally required to do or not do.

iamEAP

Not sure if I’m just in my own national security bubble, but I find it troubling to see the perspective that most of the conversation in this thread is coming from. The US government took a legal designation explicitly crafted to protect against foreign adversaries and deployed it against a private, domestic entity, to their immediate and great detriment.