The real cost of owning a home

bell-cot

> You can save a lot of money in maintenance and repairs by doing your own work whenever possible. True. But even if you have the physical ability, skills, tools, and equipment handy - you can spend a lot of time on maintenance & repairs. Just ask anyone who's done yard work for a few years, or has repainted a house, or ...

someuser54541

Aren't quite a few of these concerns alleviated by owning a condo?

M4R5H4LL

With a mortgage, you are forced to save money. In other words you have no way around being disciplined. So yes in theory you could probably make more money with aggressive investing, but chances are most people would risk too much and lose a lot and never have the mental discipline of saving the excess they have no matter what happens in their life.

mholm

Beyond the financials, the psychological impact of both being able to make greater-than-superficial changes, and having extremely predictable payments for years without worrying about substantial rent increases, is substantial. I redid/improved the bathroom to exactly what I wanted. I renovated the kitchen. I added paneling to the walls. I added a few outlets to rooms that needed more. I wouldn't do these things in an apartment, because rent could go up any year and exploit me for liking my home. Property value has gone up by 50% in the years since I bought.

com2kid

It is suggested to set aside 1%-3% of your home's overall value for repairs every year. Most people do not do this, and many homes thus slowly degrade in value. It is a fast track way to destroy potential generational wealth. Home repair issues also tend to be bursty (rule of three...). You'll have a few years of nothing that'll lull you into a false sense of security, then suddenly three major issues will come up. So far this year I've had nearly 10K in random expenses pop up (!!) and based on the life expectancy of my HVAC system I expect I'll have some more major expenses next year. If there is one near to you, join a tool library. It is a huge savings over buying specialized tools for one off jobs. Tool libraries are an amazing community resource. Find a good reliable handy man, even if you know how to do things yourself. Hopefully one you can trust with your door code so if your neighbors report running water while you are away on a trip you have someone you can call who you know will take care of it.

malfist

This is nonsense. The person counts the 12 month escrow prepayment during closing as "cost to get a loan" It's not. It's the cost of 12 months of taxes and insurance on your property. Also notable is the "1 year insurance premium" either they're double counting the escrow, or this 1 year insurance premium is mortgage insurance where the bank makes you take out insurance to protect them. This can be prepaid, split paid, paid monthly, or you could put down 20%. The lender makes you purchase title insurance for them, but this person also purchased title insurance for themselves. This is mostly just pure profit for the title company. The cost for the insurance is for the company to do the research, if they found an issue, they wouldn't insure the bank. Buying it for yourself is mostly just lighting money on fire. A lot of those closing costs are shoppable, you can find better lenders. Before closing, you're given a truth in lending disclosure with all this carefully spelled out. If you don't do even basic due diligence, I question if you have the financial literacy to own a home. I'll also note, they didn't mention in their closing costs paying for a home inspection (beyond termites). This is likely why they had to pay for real repairs on the house. One of their "repairs" is new water pipes. There's no reason listed for this, but this is often pushed by door to door salesmen telling you need to do it to protect your property/health and is mostly, like all door to door sales, a scam. That note about counting the cost of heating and cooling is similarly nonsense. They claim "apartments are almost always smaller than houses" which isn't true, and count electricity rate increases as cost of ownership, rentals have to pay that too. They also assert, with clearly no evidence that heating and cooling is half their electric bill. There's easy ways to figure this out, an emporia can do it easily. The whole premise is flawed. They note that in the beginning only 20% of their payment goes to principle and A) you can control that (bigger downpayment so no PMI, less interest), bigger more frequent payments or a shorter loan, and B) exactly 0% of your rent payment goes to your principle. This might better be an examination of "can I afford a mortgage with the same rent payment as I make today" and the answer, not surprisingly, is no, if your rent payments are a the top end of what you can afford.

cosmic_cheese

On the other hand, renting comes with hidden (and some not so hidden) costs too. The main one for me is the inherent precariousness that comes with renting. You don’t know how much longer you’re going to be able to stay in your apartment, whether that be due to rent hikes or the landlord deciding that they want to give the apartment to their nephew or any number of other things. The constant low level stress of knowing that you might need to go through the hell of apartment hunting and moving annually is awful. It’s been much nicer to have a mortgage with more or less locked in monthly payment, even with the maintenance costs that come with the territory. It’s more predictable and frees up mental bandwidth for other things.

relium

I think 1% per year is insufficient for repairs. Even a paint job will cost more than that these days. There's also a potential HOA fee, even in many neighborhoods with freestanding homes. But there are tax benefits of home ownership too. The interest deduction used to very significant, although less now since they raised the standard deduction. There's also a $250K/500K non-taxable capital gains benefit when you sell a house for more than you paid.

leugim

There's also the difference of Condo vs Home.

bpt3

Yep. Yet many on here (and other specific online forums) will tell you that your only options should be owning a home or renting an apartment because they don't feel the single family home they desire is within their price range, and resort to advocating for short-sighted, draconian policies as an means to an end that is favorable for them.

RIMR

>You've probably heard someone say something to the effect of "renting is just throwing your money away". Don't believe it. It's a glib statement that simply isn't true. If you take literally anything away from this article, this opening line is it. People who say this bought their house decades ago and have no clue what the present situation is.

kylehotchkiss

When I was a homeowner (I recently exited), I found it incredibly discouraging how every vendor who came over for this or that looked at you like a walking sack of dollar bills after driving up to your home in a brand new pickup truck. When you do hire them, the owner never even shows up for a final inspection. There's a large part of the economy who knows their customers will treat their equity like a bank and prices accordingly.

FrustratedMonky

Is there someplace that takes all of these inputs. Then graphs them over 10 or 20 years and include some adjustment for inflation? I didn't see in article any discussion about mortgage rates versus appreciation versus inflation. Article did sum all the inputs/outputs, and came out at loss. I'm just wondering if there is some other trends over 10 or 20 years that make the house better.

carabiner

People act like owning a home and coming out financially ahead is an inviolable law of physics. It is not. Buying a house is like purchasing an option to have something at a set price in the future. That option can be overpriced to the point where it is not profitable. This isn't to say that there are not emotional aspects to owning, but that is a separate discussion.

some_random

You will own nothing and be happy.

ramesh31

Having your own home and property where no one on earth can tell you how to live: priceless. Maybe home ownership is becoming a luxury, but humans don't exist in financial spreadsheets. The intagibles of SFH ownership are worth literally everything to me after a lifetime of renting. It's also absolutely a class differentiator in the US. If you're behind on your rent and getting evicted, that's seen as a personal moral failure. If you're behind on your mortgage and getting foreclosed, it's considered a tragedy, and there are many options for support like forebearance. Just look at what happened during COVID; red state renters were getting knocked on by the sheriff within 90 days, while it can take years for someone to lose their house.

mothballed

I zero'd out almost all these costs by building a shack myself and leaving it uninsured. Maintenance cost almost zero because I own all the tools and much the spare materials already form building the house. Cost of house $60,000 post COVID, there is a similar ready-built house next to me for sale almost $300,000.

danesparza

Buying a home is a hedge against inflation. Renting has no similar protections. Your choices are, "Pay the (increased) rent" or "Move"

horsawlarway

> I bought this house new, and didn't live there very long End of story. That's the entire conversation right there. Note how much money he made on the house he lived in for a decent amount of time... (~330k, minus minor investments on repairs) Renting is better than buying if you're not going to live in the house for any real duration (real meaning 5+ years). Otherwise... at least in the US... the financials around 30 year mortgages and a target inflation rate mean buying is going to work in your favor. Will this blow up at some point? Meh, maybe? But for now, owning is FAR better assuming you actually hold onto the property. The longer you hold, the better it gets.

whalesalad

I have a ~2000 sq foot ranch. A new roof was $25k. New siding was $55-85k depending on the material (vinyl vs james hardie). Gutters are $7k. I had a bunch of trees removed and a forestry mulcher out: $7k. Everything is so fucking expensive.