Tesla concealed fatal accidents to continue testing autonomous driving

doener

The article was also published in German: https://www.srf.ch/news/dialog/autonomes-fahren-wie-tesla-un...

oblio

Look, there is no way corporations would lie for their own interest. Especially when they spent tens of billions to develop something. It's not like they sold us leaded gasoline or "healthy tobacco" for decades.

ymolodtsov

Tesla has a very bad track record in terms of both compliance and disclosure when it comes to autonomy incidents.

dangus

To pile on to this pathetic excuse for a company: anyone considering buying a Tesla should know that they are the #1 brand for fatal accidents in the United States, with over twice the accident rate of a typical automaker: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highes... This terrible statistic can’t just be explained by aggressive driving owners or some other factor like that. Dodge has plenty of aggressive drivers buying their 700HP V8 rear wheel drive vehicles but they have better fatal accident rates than Tesla. I’m convinced that Tesla makes unsafe cars and covers it up wherever they can. The crash test safety awards their vehicles have won are clearly not representative of reality. The self-driving system Tesla offers is only “ahead” of the competition because the competition is unwilling to sell an unsafe system.

jasoncartwright

Teslas turning off autopilot seconds before a crash, apparently avoiding being recorded as active during an incident, is wild https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report

kotaKat

Hot take but I feel like Tesla owners (hell, anyone with 'autonomous driving' vehicles) need to see some kind of modern lecture based on the Children of the Magenta talk on automation dependence in aircraft. Mandatory, before you can trigger the system on. FSD has built this generation's newest children of the magenta line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESJH1NLMLs

zulgin

Look I don't like Tesla as much as the next person, I think it is wildly over-hyped and over-valued. But this article is just slop. The headline says - "How Tesla hid accidents to test its Autopilot" but the actual article has no explanation as to (1) how Tesla hid anything or, for that matter, (2) who did Tesla hide this information from It mashes together a Tesla data leak from 2022 and an unconnected lawsuit from 2026 without ever explaining how those 2 are connected. Tesla has a pattern of making deceptive promises and deceptive disclosures but this article doesn't make that case at all.

RoxiHaidi

One day an AI will obviously be infinitely better at driving than a human will be but that day is not yet here.

dham

Here we go again. Autopilot != FSD. Autopilot is not "autonomous" driving. It's lane keep with adaptive cruise control. The same system that Honda, Toyota, etc have. Yes the naming is wrong, the marketing is bad, but I don't see it as much worse as Toyota safety sense. If you use it to be "safe" you're going swerve off the highway into a ditch. I used super cruise from GM in my friends suv. As soon as lane markers go away on a bridge, I almost hit the railing. I'll get downvoted but just giving you the facts. I'm glad the Autopilot name has been retired. Such a bad name, but maybe a good name because autopilot in planes can't see and avoid obstacles either.

adev_

So...For a bit of context on the video and the article: - The documentary is from the RTS. The RTS is the main publicly owned media from Switzerland. They are not the typical European owned public media: They are generally pretty well funded (contrary to most). They also tend to generate good (high) quality content, tend to be independent and rather neutral (leaning slightly to the left politically speaking). - The video is in French because, in Switzerland, the media are divided in three group associated to the regional languages: RTS for the French, SSR for the German and RSI for the Italian. Thats why you do get German translation. - They are generally pretty cooperative and open minded. If one of you want to submit english subtitles. Just contact them, they might accept it (I do not promise anything).

mnvsbl

Full report here (video): https://www.rts.ch/play/tv/temps-present/video/tesla-la-face...

pmarreck

Are these still accidents where the driver was not paying attention, though?

mikl

Same article in German, if that’s more your thing: https://www.srf.ch/news/dialog/autonomes-fahren-wie-tesla-un...

Geee

This is about the old autopilot, not FSD, and there doesn't seem to be anything new in the article. This is based on the same leaked data which has been public since 2023. The title seems to be inaccurate, as there's nothing to indicate that they hid fatal accidents.

mnvsbl

This discussion was #1 and just vanished. Why?