S&P Global has lowered Oracle’s creditworthiness from BBB to BBB-

measurablefunc

What happens when Oracle can't pay the interest on their loans?

hobonation

Is it me or do none of the AI companies have a "moat" in the Ben Grahmm sense. I use their services, but I frankly don't care who provides it. I'll chase the chepest/best and have no issue switching from one to another. The only moat I can see is Microsoft providing its services to companies in its Azure system. Nervous IT departments probably like that it's not leaving their control if Bob in the SAP team spins up some AI crap.

pgn674

Title is inaccurate. They're BBB- now, not BBB.

Zsfe510asG

There is AI data center overcapacity already. The KOSPI crashed last week, and it's a leading indicator for the cyclical hardware industry. It already had been that indicator in the 2000 bubble. I don't know what possessed Ellison to ruin a functioning company, but it will be interesting if he gets a margin call for ORCL's other debt exposures, which are Ellison's massive loans against his ORCL stock.

therobots927

This is surprising to me. Judging by what appears to be the common sentiment here on HN - which is that AI inference is already profitable, and OpenAI is fairly valued by private markets. Given that Oracle and Microsoft are major counterparties of OpenAI, it seems odd that their stocks have been performing so poorly recently. Can anyone square this circle for me?

dralley

Here's hoping this screws up the collateralization of the Paramount takeover deal, and the whole thing unravels.

chasil

And they terminated 30k employees to achieve this? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmarkman/2026/04/06/oracles-m...

cmiles8

Market signals on an impending AI bust are broader than just Oracle’s woes. For example, Amazon just had a challenging bond offering where the market is clearly starting to seriously question the ROI on all this money being pumped into AI buildout. That does not bode well at all for AI-only companies without broader cash flow from other businesses. And when the cash dries up this whole thing comes crashing down like a house of cards.

Apocryphon

Imagine if their acquisition of TikTok had gone through.

xyst

I can’t wait for Ai bubble to bust already. Maybe it will happen in October/November like the crypto hype.

Reptur

This site is shady as hell. You try to decline marketing in their pop-up and it hides maybe a 100 providers and expects you to click each one individually.

chaitanyya

in all our hearts they were always rated CCC

lelanthran

Ed Zitron must be feeling quite validated :-)

qurren

Wasn't Tesla rated an F while it was in its hyper growth phase?

teepo

S&P Global link: https://www.spglobal.com/ratings/en/regulatory/article/-/vie...

steve1977

Oh no. Anyway...

ratelimitsteve

people have been burning investor money for heat in re: AI for a few years now and it's starting to get chilly...

minraws

It's still a bunch too high should be below junk imho

u1hcw9nx

Oracle LFCF (ttm): -24.54B Levered free cash flow (LFCF) is the cash remaining after a company has paid its debts and operational costs. Oracle has 167.43B debt. $43 billion in last fiscal year. Google, Meta, Microsoft, Amazon will be fine if AI bubble bursts. Oracle will be among first to go down in flames after OpenAI.