It is time to build a new internet

etoxin

You should checkout the Gemini Protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)

singingtoday

There's a few efforts in this area, and I agree, there is value to be extracted.

turtleyacht

Curation is the cure, but it takes attention from creation. Moderation is power, but the time it takes is a curse. The network is vast, but only some nodes are valuable.

JeremieDecoop

It's the most dumb article I have ever seen on Hackernews with respect to the writer who has knowledge about protocols and concepts. No TCP/IP means no normal internet routing. → You would need a totally new way for machines to find and send data to each other. Bots are not tied to HTTP/HTML forever, people can write new bots for the new protocol, including by the use of GUI automation (digital or with plotters that mimic human actions (instagam farm bots))

krapp

geminispace already exists, though. Just go there.

jplusequalt

Some form of gatekeeping, or vouching system seems far more practical to implement.

montroser

Dial-up BBS checks all these boxes. Now have at it!

stackghost

If TFA had been "it's time to build a new World Wide Web", I'd be on board. Most of the web is a dumpster fire and has been for a while. But there's lots of good stuff on the Internet that isn't the web or web-adjacent.

yanhangyhy

i will watch tv show <Silicon Valley> again

kelseyfrog

> What we basically need is a completely new protocol stack that is not interoperable with TCP/IP. You cannot solve social problems using technical solutions. Someone would simply build a bridge and siphon data out or in. Interoperability is one of those low-hanging fruits that, once solved, ruins its value.

LambdaComplex

I don't remember the name of the software/protocol, but I once saw a demonstration of something that seemed similar to the Internet using amateur radios communicating with each other. I think they had either email or something functionally similar, but I was told that it didn't use Ethernet or IP at all (if I'm remembering correctly). Edit: found it, it was TARPN https://tarpn.net/t/packet_radio_networking.html

rfarley04

The human.json protocol is worth checking out as a proxy for the whole "more human internet" conversation. Not perfect but interesting! https://codeberg.org/robida/human.json

ethanplant

I agree with the principle that the internet has, for lack of a better word, gone to shit. This isn’t the answer though. It’s not technically feasible and doesn’t actually address the problem. Your falling into the classic software brain trap of thinking the solution to a social problem is a technical one, when that isn’t necessarily the case.

arjie

Bloody hell. All the way down to TCP/IP? Listen, even getting myself fully IPv6 was a freaking adventure. This is dead in the water. I've gone so far as having a Gemini instance at gemini://g.wiki.roshangeorge.dev which no one has accessed. To be honest, I don't even understand the motivation. The Internet seems fine to me. The protocols in use here are quite nice and there's always Gemini if you want a protocol that is pure document oriented. Perhaps a HTTP browser that only `Accept`s `text/markdown` might be interesting but replacing IP is right out for me to participate in, at least.

4d4m

Explain to me the risk to you, average internet user....of a competing network you might choose to join. This may not be the right implementation but p2p and mesh networks seem like the only solve to walled gardens and the current landscape. Seems to me like OP is trying to work around dns

avaer

If such a thing ever becomes big enough that money can be made, it will rot, and orders of magnitude faster than the current internet did. More than making the new stack non-interoperable with existing tech, you would have to make it non-interoperable with existing money. And then you're talking an even bigger revolution than a new internet. There's a kernel of interesting ideas here, but I don't think it pays due enough attention to the rotting of the internet being a socioeconomic problem (feature?) first.

ruined

https://reticulum.network/

iwontberude

It feels like you are describing what Matrix is to me now, a federated place where you can hop around but most places are strict about who can enter.

desireco42

It doesn't make sense... like a lot of it. Probably because he is marketer. I get he is upset because things change and that's it.

nvch

Too late for the tech part. The tech stack may be incomprehensible for humans, but LLMs will build on top of it just fine.