I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

infinite_spin

https://archive.is/kH6U5

Metacelsus

Just because the author can't think of a way to cause mass death with an engineered virus, doesn't mean an AI won't be able to think of one. (There are several biological threats the author hasn't considered. I'll just leave it at that.)

ViktorRay

I wonder if there is a name to this phenomena. Where being knowledgeable in one thing (such as computer science) means you incorrectly believe you are an expert in another domain (such as virology)

tayo42

My sci fi story I came up with was,not that a virus is good to kill us,but a rogue AI is going to use a virus or something to hijack our minds and have us do the physical work it wants done like an ant colony.

dvduval

That sounds like a good video game to spin up in Astra. Missile command was pretty cool. We didn’t destroy mankind with that one either.

intrasight

AI is just one of many things that concerns me. But it has lately risen higher on the worry chart.

gerdesj

Ye domesday weapon will not be a disenchanted teenager whipping up COVID-19 variants (whatever that means) and spraying them on people. The real deal needs a lab messing around with viruses and whatever happened a few years ago ... and it did not destroy humanity.

01284a7e

"The problems with which the universe can confront any society are, for practical purposes, infinite in number and endless in variety." - Joseph Tainter AI will really aid the universe in generating more problems. Maybe it's not a supervirus, but hell, maybe it is.

Dig1t

Thank goodness someone wrote this, I was also thinking about writing an article like this. This is such a massively overblown worry that AI companies who are seeking regulatory capture love to roll out whenever they are trying to gin up some FUD. Creating viruses at home is extremely difficult, even if you have a perfect instruction manual and someone sitting behind you telling you what to do. It's full of trial and error and validating each step requires rigor. It's also a process which requires fairly expensive and specific supplies, which can be easily gatekept. Instead of trying to gate-keep knowledge of biology, we can do things like KYC around specific types of lab supplies (like we already do with fertilizer which can make bombs, or specific types of supplies needed to make nukes). Heck the Biden admin already added a KYC requirement for plasmids and plasmid companies already have implemented screening for sequences which could be dangerous.

nprateem

I agree. It'll probably just hack and disable our water works, power stations and supply chains and let us all starve.

zekefoppa

I'm far from anything resembling an expert in biological weapons, but this seems to me puzzlingly overconfident in the opposite direction. > PhD students in 2026 using state-of-the-art AI software are spending months or years trying to design simple peptide binders that inhibit some enzyme or pull down some protein This confuses me, as state-of-the-art AI software is moving quite quickly. Any software that is currently state-of-the-art AI.. hasn't existed for years, maybe not even for months. It also seems quite odd to claim that there are no sufficiently dangerous diseases when we have high-security research labs dedicated to exploring.. exactly these kinds of diseases. And, even if it's not a disgruntled teenager, it just takes one leak from a lab that has 10xd productivity using AI tools. This is a real risk that existed before AI, one that I think we can now confidently say that society is under-prepared for since 2020. It is certainly magnified by AI, even if it's not 100x. The author even seems to recognize this: > So, if you’re worried about AI-designed superviruses, think COVID, not Ebola. And if you’re now a little less worried, maybe you understand where I’m coming from. This is exactly where I think most people are starting from, and that's _why we're worried_.

Boxxed

Yeah, if only.

mikestylz

The magical level of intelligence required is not really a flaw of the argument's deductions, it is its very premise. If you believe that there is a possibility of an AI working on itself, you get the approximate differential equation d/dt f(t) >= C*f(t). In plain English, at least some proportion of development's progress goes back into future development. The (least case growth, assuming equality) solution to this is an exponential function, and exponential blowup leads to stupendous and magical seeming results. I then ask - what is evolution if not a dumb optimization process? How are we supposed to believe that it devised miracles such as the human mind, insect flight, echolocation and so on while denying the possibility of a future EXTREMELY power simulation to do the same? I went in really wanting to be convinced by this article for the sake of my own mental health, but I am disappointed. What we really need for such a statement is concrete physical evidence that a virus is simply incapable of having such facilities. Or perhaps an equivalence established showing biological defense is no harder than offense. Until it exists, I will continue to worry.

janalsncm

> When people believe that AI could figure this out on its own, without first running extensive and expensive basic science experiments, they have left the realm of science and have entered what can only be described as religion. I strongly agree with this. Too many people have the Arthur C Clarke quote infecting their brains. So much of science is contingent on the physical world and cannot be determined from first principles i.e. by thinking hard about it. (Sorry Plato, you can’t think your way to the moon.) You need increasingly precise measurements, which means increasingly complex tools which means…supply chains. Science requires supply chains. Magic doesn’t.

jbethune

Well, not with THAT attitude...

geodel

Well, this is disappointing.

bananaflag

The author doesn't have a security mindset.

hex4def6

Now here’s a real risk involving measles that I sometimes worry about. What if the measles virus experienced a set of immune escape mutations where suddenly existing vaccines no longer work? If this happened the consequences would be horrifying. We’d have an immediate, world-wide measles epidemic long before we could develop and roll out a new vaccine. What’s the likelihood this will happen? Informed estimates are that it is low. But realistically speaking, even if the likelihood is low, it’s probably higher than the likelihood that a disgruntled teenager will design a supervirus with AI. So, something to think about. I'm confused. Would a bit of gain-of-function exploration + measles virus genome = supervirus? I'm no biologist, but it seems like the genome is readily available. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/NC_001498.1 And it seems like the spots that have to be mutated are already known about: https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/researchers-cl... And this experiment has already been done: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8080110/ Five minutes of research suggests the sites -- Loop Epitope etc -- only need a few pairs of mutations each. this feels doable... It's not creating a supervirus from whole cloth, but why bother. Measles without a vaccine would be a catastrophe.

colingauvin

Oh my God THANK YOU. I do not have the words how tired I am of hearing tech people and economists talk about biology.

fergal_reid

I am not a biology person, but, candidly, this is a bad article, because the author is generalizing from the properties of viruses that tend to arise naturally, and using this to argue about the properties of deliberately designed viruses. Firstly, it's not even clear that naturally occuring viruses can't be extremely lethal. There are examples (eg black death). Even the existence of rare examples should be concerning, if attempting to argue against the possibility . But even if there were no natural examples, it could just be because the ecosystem is in a balance, which them unlikely. That doesn't preclude someone from designing one. To use an analogy. Natural predator prey ecosystems tend to be in balance. You could look around the world, before modern humans, and conclude that superpredators aren't a real threat, because predators that eat their prey too rapidly typically then die out. Thus most ecosystems you observe are in some balanced state. But this doesn't mean modern humans can't come along, using their superior intelligence, and act as a superpredator. Ask the wolf population of western Europe. If something is stopping us from doing this more often, it's alignment rather than capability. You can't generalized from the typical behaviour that you see in a balanced natural ecosystem, and use that to say it proves there are no much more dangerous possibilities. If the author made first principles argument about the inherent difficulty of doing something bad, even with abundant intelligence, I'd be much more reassured; or about defense offense asymmetry favouring defence. What's here seems very naive.