> I hated writing software this way. Forget the output for a moment; the process was excruciating. Most of my time was spent reading proposed code changes and pressing the 1 key to accept the changes, which I almost always did. [...] That's why they hated it. Approving every change is the most frustrating way of using these tools. I genuinely think that one of the biggest differences between people who enjoy coding agents and people who hate them is whether or not they run in YOLO mode (aka dangerously-skip-permissions). YOLO mode feels like a whole different product. I get the desire not to do that because you want to verify everything they do, but you can still do that by reviewing the code later on without the pain of step-by-step approvals.
riffraff
I have come to the conclusion that many people are going to live this AI period pretty much like the five stages of grief: denial that it can work, anger at the new robber barons, bargaining that yeah it kinda works but not really well enough, catastrophic world view and depression, and finally acceptance of the new normality. I'm still at the bargaining phase, personally.
spiderfarmer
I recently spoke to a very junior developer (he's still in school) about his hobby projects. He doesn't have our bagage. He doesn't feel the anxiety the purists feel. He just pipes all errors right back in his task flow. He does period refactoring. He tests everything and also refactors the tests. He does automated penetration testing. There are great tools for everything he does and they are improving at breakneck speeds. He creates stuff that is levels above what I ever made and I spent years building it. I accepted months ago: adapt or die.
bitwize
Don't care. It's no longer up for debate: this is the future. Shape up or ship out.
periodjet
These takes are growing increasingly tiresome, I have to admit. They are pretty much all just tacit admissions of some kind of skill issue with this new class of tool, but presented with a sheen of moral outrage. I don’t think anyone’s buying it anymore. Figure it out.
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simonw
> I hated writing software this way. Forget the output for a moment; the process was excruciating. Most of my time was spent reading proposed code changes and pressing the 1 key to accept the changes, which I almost always did. [...] That's why they hated it. Approving every change is the most frustrating way of using these tools. I genuinely think that one of the biggest differences between people who enjoy coding agents and people who hate them is whether or not they run in YOLO mode (aka dangerously-skip-permissions). YOLO mode feels like a whole different product. I get the desire not to do that because you want to verify everything they do, but you can still do that by reviewing the code later on without the pain of step-by-step approvals.
riffraff
I have come to the conclusion that many people are going to live this AI period pretty much like the five stages of grief: denial that it can work, anger at the new robber barons, bargaining that yeah it kinda works but not really well enough, catastrophic world view and depression, and finally acceptance of the new normality. I'm still at the bargaining phase, personally.
spiderfarmer
I recently spoke to a very junior developer (he's still in school) about his hobby projects. He doesn't have our bagage. He doesn't feel the anxiety the purists feel. He just pipes all errors right back in his task flow. He does period refactoring. He tests everything and also refactors the tests. He does automated penetration testing. There are great tools for everything he does and they are improving at breakneck speeds. He creates stuff that is levels above what I ever made and I spent years building it. I accepted months ago: adapt or die.
bitwize
Don't care. It's no longer up for debate: this is the future. Shape up or ship out.
periodjet
These takes are growing increasingly tiresome, I have to admit. They are pretty much all just tacit admissions of some kind of skill issue with this new class of tool, but presented with a sheen of moral outrage. I don’t think anyone’s buying it anymore. Figure it out.