I Remain a Skeptic

thataccount

>The not-so-quiet goal of the LLM push by big tech was to homogenise intellectual labour such that it can be made fungible. When labour is fungible you can swap it out whenever you like for an alternative, decreasing the bargaining power of workers. Especially if you replace people with robots that don't need days off and have the people train their replacements.

smokedetector1

idk. I get more stuff done, faster, that I wouldn’t have been able to. You have to use it judiciously and with supervision - I can see how letting it get out of control would negate the benefits. But with good use, its undeniable.

classictraffic

To the author’s point about there not being enough evidence to support pro-AI claims — Additionally, there are studies and articles coming out showing those people are wrong and AI only makes people barely more efficient. Not the 10x tech CEOs are claiming while slashing thousands of jobs https://getdx.com/blog/ai-productivity-gains-are-10-percent-...

E-Reverance

I think the fundamental rebuttal to this is merely that, we’re still so early , the $1.5 trillion number is irrelevant for developing technologies in the same way two women can’t birth a baby in 4.5 months

8note

are open ai, anthropic, zai, deepseek, cursor etc not new players? that benchmark seems like one defined to never be good enough

hexasquid

"Well, actually, vim doesn't make you faster"

rhelz

AI skeptics hate him. Here's how he doubled his productivity using AI with one simple trick. You have to stop thinking like an employee or a worker bee, and start thinking like a boss. Guess what, the work you give your boss isn't 100% gold either. And sometimes you are preoccupied, or tired, so what you deliver isn't the best of all possible deliverables. Sometimes you hallucinate, i.e. you are dead wrong when you think you are dead right. This is the job of a boss: take fallible employees and turn what they produce into something actually valuable. The boss lets the grunts do the grunt work, and then they combine the output together, and do the due diligence, etc etc. It's an entirely new skillset. But learning the new skillset isn't the real blocker--the real blocker is that you've got to stop thinking like a grunt and start thinking like an executive. WHAT is it that you really want to do? Frame that question as clearly and as concretely as you can. Then farm out thee work to human or AI grunts, and be prepared to do your due diligence on the result.

Grombobulous

The last bullet point is the most important. The industry is most hyped about AI so that they can pay software developers $70k instead of paying them $200k. I don’t really agree that AI can’t make development faster, though. What the author describes as the negative AI outcome is blind vibecoding. There are many other ways to use it, and even the basic “enhanced autocomplete” is a net benefit, especially since that functionality is dirt cheap or free.

andy99

> Software development was one of the last ‘guild fields’ and now we are seeing its industrialisation occur. Doesn’t really support the rest of the argument. If you’re a skeptic and think it’s all hype, there’s nothing to worry about.

hax0ron3

>The not-so-quiet goal of the LLM push by big tech was to homogenise intellectual labour such that it can be made fungible. When labour is fungible you can swap it out whenever you like for an alternative, decreasing the bargaining power of workers. Software development was one of the last ‘guild fields’ and now we are seeing its industrialisation occur. I think that the industrialization of software development already happened decades ago. The common professional software development methodologies, both waterfall and sprint-based, ARE the industrialization of software development. Isn't modern "agile", sprint-based software development methodology directly influenced by Japanese manufacturing methods? I don't know when software development actually was a guild field, and my personal experience doesn't reach back this far, but based on what I've read at least, it seems to me that even back in the 1990s it was already not a guild field.

wolttam

I think an argument can be made that some software has gotten more secure. I don’t think it can be denied that the models do show an ability to find security vulnerabilities that may have otherwise been missed

hingler36

I have started using AI a bit, but I'm still trying to be careful in that if I ever lose access I can still perform my job at pre-AI ability. My understanding is that tokens are still heavily subsidized, and when that well runs dry I don't want it to be some nightmare to go back to the way I was doing my work in like 2022.

rushabh

I agreed right upto the last quote. That made the post political, similar to the ones being written by the AI evangelists. The thing about complex systems is that they are not predictable. Right now the answer is whatever you think is right, and a lot of scenarios seem plausible. It is a fun intellectual moment trying to make sense, but maybe only time will tell how the dynamics work out.

jansport123

the way i see, LLM's in their current shape are neither good enough to replace software engineers but they have become a necessary part of everyone tool kit. ergo, actual companies themselves aren't getting much benefit because their competitors are using the same tools and they can't fire their human labor either just it's just an extra cost. At my org, i see good engineers use LLM's in wise ways and bad engineers just let it write slop for them. What gets to me is the verbosity and noise though, i consider brevity, and curation to be hallmarks of intelligence but most people at work just spit out so many words in their design docs or code comment these days.

spl757

All AI hallucinates, and therefore is unpredictable and unreliable. 1.5 trillion dollars to prove the obvious. It has no place in production use. IMHO at least. They want so badly to get rid of all of us, and replace us with something that doesn't complain, doesn't have kids, or outside lives or want ick, vacations. Most of you are paycheck to paycheck, statistically speaking, so you have a vested interest in how this all turns out. edit: I get it, it's not a popular opinion. But am I wrong? If the problem of hallucination in AI has been solved, maybe I missed it?

honeybadger1

it's not as good as the hype, but it's definitely revolutionary. i am still blown away at what I can achieve in 20 minutes with a couple of agents

j45

The reality is new technology that works, will get used for what it best works for. There are things that LLMs remain uniquely suited for, while the echo chambers go for everything. There's no requirement to use new technology. Maybe what you do, or how you do it is just fine, and that's OK. Skepticism today can remind me of someone who went into a cave for 3-4 years with a dated take of LLMs on day 1 and not remember software improves, and LLMs are software. There are no shortage of uniquely working solutions with LLMs if sone seeks to find them, and also the self-validating echo chamber that says that it doesn't if that's desired. Which parts of software development, or how software development may better happen differently with the involvement of AI remains to be seen.

andai

>productivity I recently experienced some cognitive decline due to chronic health issues. This is unfortunate timing because I am shipping a game with online multiplayer for the first time. So "brain works properly" is kind of a basic job requirement! But you work with what you got... Some day I have the energy to do programming "manually", but on many days, the difference between "tasks get done" and "I am just staring at the screen reading the same code over and over again" is "ask the LLM to do it." So I have had to shift my identity from "the guy who does the thing" to "the guy who ensures the thing has been done." That being said, I do check the diffs carefully. (I tried a more hands-off approach a few months ago, and that was a pretty bad idea.) And I've learned to make the diffs as small as possible: more digestible for me, and less room for the AI to go off the rails. Nice bonus to small, well defined changes is that small, fast, cheap models can handle them. (Having a great time with Luna lately, even on Low reasoning effort, which I wasn't expecting at all.)

qarl2

The author claims that software has become no more secure - despite the avalanche of security fixes appearing for all software everywhere. Never mind the more subtle issues.

andai

>We should all know by now that code is an input to the software development process and not an output: yet even the most forward-looking organisations still tactitly treat lines of code as a productivity metric What exactly is this referring to? My thinking here is "code is a hypothesis", and you don't know if it's solid or not until it contacts the real world. (And ideally tests, and maybe a proof or two.) And what we're seeing lately is that the hypotheses often get disproven decades later (longstanding kernel bugs etc.)