Looks like Google's given up on frontier models for external consumption?
mattlondon
Wow this comes after what - 3 or 4 weeks since 3.7 Flash, which was also 3 or 4 weeks after 3.6 Flash IIRC? I eagerly wait more info but sounds like Deepmind without Demis calling the shots has been unleashed and are operating at full speed? Shocker! At this point it is a meme of course, but where is 3.5 Pro :)
sva_
model card https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49537354 (doesn't 404)
andai
Wait, I didn't realize 3.7 Flash was already beating Sol on a bunch of the benchmarks. Isn't it a way smaller models?
xnx
Seem like a great, no-compromise, upgrade over 3.7 which is already a bargain, fast, and doesn't have the brain-damaged writing style of Claude.
fitsumbelay
shows up in /models though and encourages you to use it over 3.7 Flash I prefer this over reading specs: the "just show me" way
mattlondon
Currently top at https://deepswe.datacurve.ai - beating Opus 5! https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash shows an intelligence score of 59, the same as Opus 5 medium! Wow - for a flash model this seems to benchmark powerfully. Remains to be seen what it is like to use.
advenn
But where is Gemini 3.5 pro?
mythz
I'm trying it now for token heavy coding tasks, it's capable for many tasks but in noway compares to Claude/Sol - requires more prompts and the output isn't as good. So just another mid-tier flash model, nothing exciting, but Antigravity has very generous quotas so it's a good workhorse model when your Claude/OpenAI subs run out. And whilst it's a fast model, having to baby sit through and approve prompts every few seconds ends up making it slower than the Auto approve modes of Claude/ChatGPT - they definitely need an auto approve mode.
shuvrojit
Gemini is getting less useful with each update. I could edit a pdf with the 3-pro model before but 3.1-pro couldn't edit the given pdf nor it could generate one for me.
pwython
Is there any reason to even use 3.1 Pro now?
kelvinjps10
I see benchmarks beating sol terra and sonnet. But is actually better? Has someone used it? I don't see actually much people that use Gemini for coding.
ASinclair
From personal experience it feels much more capable than 3.7 Flash.
leumon
So 89.4% on Terminal Bench 2 but only 19.1% on Tbench 4. Opus 5 is 89.1%/51.8%.
satvikpendem
Is the Gemini CLI still terrible compared to Claude Code and Codex? The harness the main thing holding back Google models as they could've been the best given all the advantages in compute capacity and training data they initially had, where now even the Google CEO said they're falling behind in agentic tasks, which is sort of a vicious cycle because RLHF relies on human usage.
f311a
Is the google infra stable enough right now? At the start of the year, the flash model was unusable for a whole month via gemini CLI. They could not fix it for a whole month and I was a paid customer.
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Mashimo
It's 404 now.
OG_BME
What did it say?
realist_not
Anyone has a cached page / mirror ? 404
yipinwong
"Page not found"...
tacomonstrous
Looks like Google's given up on frontier models for external consumption?
mattlondon
Wow this comes after what - 3 or 4 weeks since 3.7 Flash, which was also 3 or 4 weeks after 3.6 Flash IIRC? I eagerly wait more info but sounds like Deepmind without Demis calling the shots has been unleashed and are operating at full speed? Shocker! At this point it is a meme of course, but where is 3.5 Pro :)
sva_
model card https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49537354 (doesn't 404)
andai
Wait, I didn't realize 3.7 Flash was already beating Sol on a bunch of the benchmarks. Isn't it a way smaller models?
xnx
Seem like a great, no-compromise, upgrade over 3.7 which is already a bargain, fast, and doesn't have the brain-damaged writing style of Claude.
fitsumbelay
shows up in /models though and encourages you to use it over 3.7 Flash I prefer this over reading specs: the "just show me" way
mattlondon
Currently top at https://deepswe.datacurve.ai - beating Opus 5! https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash shows an intelligence score of 59, the same as Opus 5 medium! Wow - for a flash model this seems to benchmark powerfully. Remains to be seen what it is like to use.
advenn
But where is Gemini 3.5 pro?
mythz
I'm trying it now for token heavy coding tasks, it's capable for many tasks but in noway compares to Claude/Sol - requires more prompts and the output isn't as good. So just another mid-tier flash model, nothing exciting, but Antigravity has very generous quotas so it's a good workhorse model when your Claude/OpenAI subs run out. And whilst it's a fast model, having to baby sit through and approve prompts every few seconds ends up making it slower than the Auto approve modes of Claude/ChatGPT - they definitely need an auto approve mode.
shuvrojit
Gemini is getting less useful with each update. I could edit a pdf with the 3-pro model before but 3.1-pro couldn't edit the given pdf nor it could generate one for me.
pwython
Is there any reason to even use 3.1 Pro now?
kelvinjps10
I see benchmarks beating sol terra and sonnet. But is actually better? Has someone used it? I don't see actually much people that use Gemini for coding.
ASinclair
From personal experience it feels much more capable than 3.7 Flash.
leumon
So 89.4% on Terminal Bench 2 but only 19.1% on Tbench 4. Opus 5 is 89.1%/51.8%.
satvikpendem
Is the Gemini CLI still terrible compared to Claude Code and Codex? The harness the main thing holding back Google models as they could've been the best given all the advantages in compute capacity and training data they initially had, where now even the Google CEO said they're falling behind in agentic tasks, which is sort of a vicious cycle because RLHF relies on human usage.
f311a
Is the google infra stable enough right now? At the start of the year, the flash model was unusable for a whole month via gemini CLI. They could not fix it for a whole month and I was a paid customer.