Epic Games Inc v Apple Inc

oliyoung

Huge decision, maybe toughest Apple's seen yet.

mikeyanderson1

This is a massive win for independent Ai. I want to run so my agents have a local sandbox on device.

isodev

That’s good news for people who enjoy the freedom of using the device they own in the way they want. Having (alt store) presence in Australia, Brazil, EU and Japan is in fact more than enough for many indies - one can even begin to imagine ignoring the US as a region.

dannyw

I feel incredibly proud do to be Australian right now. I like how the court’s declarations are punchy, factual, and dare I say obvious. I’d suggest giving section 1 a read. There’s going to be a million “what ifs”, from walled gardens to security to ‘you don’t have to use iOS’, but it’s blatantly obvious this is all about competition and money. It’s anticompetitive, illegal, and the remedy is to cease these anticompetitive actions.

MBCook

So now that Tim Cook is gone will we see John Ternus actually apply some braincells to this? They’re just going to keep losing. And every time they fight they make it worse. They had a chance to get off way easier years ago. They destroyed it by fighting tooth and nail. I don’t want any of those features myself, I don’t think. Small chance at side-loading. But everyone, even diehard Apple pundits, realized long ago this was a very stupid hill to die on.

troupo

EU got there first, and Apple sabotaged the entire process anyway. Look at the requirements for setting up and running an alt store that Apple imposes.

mannyv

Great, now iOS users can get crapware and malware just like android users. Freedom!

charcircuit

This is disappointing to see. Apple has invested billions of dollars into building the iPhone and part of its business model is having a central App Store. Instead of trying to encourage other phone manufactures to compete, they are forcing there to be competition within Apple's own ecosystem they created. Apple built their hole platform which is why they are able to make choices on how it works. It is punishing Apple for building too great of a product.

ulfw

This is getting ridiculous by Apple. Just do it worldwide. I go regularly between AU and HK and sorry but it'd be ridiculous half of functionality works in one but not the other

somerandom2407

Just a warning to any publishers who might want to force me into an alternative app store - I will stop using your app long before I'll install another app store. I have a reasonable amount of confidence in Apple's due diligence around vetting apps on the app store. I can't think of another major brand that I would trust on this matter.

Telaneo

> Subject to orders 12 and 13, the first respondent must do all things necessary (including procuring any act of any related corporation) to ensure that users of iOS devices can discover, obtain and update iOS apps, including alternative app stores, via distribution channels other than the App Store (including via direct download and alternative app stores) provided those iOS apps have undergone an automated scan for genuine security and/or privacy reasons and been notarised by Apple or a suitably qualified third party (Alternative Distribution Channels), and that app developers can distribute and update such iOS apps to such users via Alternative Distribution Channels, including but not limited to providing access to all tools and APIs (including software development kits): So notarisation is still on the table? I won't be surprised to see Apple using that for all the loophole its worth. That is, unless that's already covered by the ruling and I just didn't see it while skimming. Maybe the Alternative Distribution Channels is that, although it doesn't seem to be defined beyond 'a suitably qualified third party', which I'm sure Apple would love to say is no-one. Still, the rest of it is very nice. The altstores for Apple have seemed kind of useless to me just through either costing money to use or needing to connect to a PC every so often, or needing to perform some other stupid dance. If we can get the F-Droid of iOS and an option to just download and install an IPA if I want to, then I'll be pretty happy.

andyferris

Seems like sideloaded apps will require notorisation from Apple and some form of automated security/privacy scanning (plus a system for authorising alt stores to do the same). Payment fees for App Store apps seem to be affected in section 9(c) - I have trouble parsing it but it seem to eliminate any fee difference between purchasing physical goods through an app (currently 0% fee) and digital goods (currently 30% fee). There's a carve out for "reasonable costs" for hosting and distributing the digital goods - this could be sensible in certain scenarios (like Netflix asking Apple to a free CDN for them). We'll see how much malicious compliance the above produces. Otherwise I'm feeling like a happy Aussie today :)

shaboinkin

I wonder if this will result in a situation where Apple will find some other means of getting paid for all of the money they spend on producing the software that allows access to their hardware. How else do you develop apps for iOS, even if you create your own store, without directly using the software and tooling they provide?

quyleanh

We need more government join this trend. It benefits for both user and developer.

raincole

Do I believe this is the correct thing to do (as a government)? Yes. Will I install an app from a third party store? Hell no lol.