Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

exceptione

"The initial devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027. The initial devices will be flagships so they'll be higher end hardware than Pixels at a higher price. Lower end devices will take more time to meet our requirements since the updates and security features aren't as good. It's mostly due to how Qualcomm handles it. The latest Snapdragon flagships have the best security features. We'll also need Motorola to start paying them for longer updates below flagships."

LoganDark

If they only "should" be available in 2027, that sounds like late 2027.

virajk_31

I bought the Moto signature a month ago , I already assumed it prolly won't support graphene, since some of the previous replies on X indicate that the graphene team requires full hardware compliance with their requirements, and the Signature apparently is not compliant yet. Anyway I ended up buying a really good smartphone.. just not a graphene supported haha :( Also this is really great collab from moto & graphene as more vendors will officially recognize Graphene as legit OS (legel/OEM is different concept). I heard month ago Volkswagen banned graphene, hopefully we we will see moving things in opposite direction...

unfocso

A year ago or so, the ThinkPhone 23 (Snapdragon 8, 2023, a weird "flagship") was available for 229€ new on various retail stores. The phone also supports Mobian/PostmarketOS and the bootloader is unlockable with no adverse effects. Out of nowhere, it received (along with other older phones) updates up to Android 16. I wouldn't be surprised if the "sudden" update was just a side effect of Motorola preparing for Graphene to be released on these older phones.

Retr0id

> the updates and security features aren't as good [on lower end Motorola devices] Having looked at some low-end Motorolas recently, this is accurate (albeit an understatement!)

tfrancisl

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

Cider9986

Specific devices: >At the time of writing, within ~12 months, in 2027, the 2027 Signature, Razr fold, and Razr flip will meet the hardware security requirements and should have official GrapheneOS support. Motorola is currently porting GrapheneOS to their devices. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49038982

rh94

Anyone has any idea if this changes current situation with nfc payments? Currently many banking apps do not work, and google pay is just unavailable, to my understanding it was related to secure chip on phone - as graphene wasnt "stocked" android os approved by google, i dearly hope this chnages with motorola

closingreunion

I wonder if this could enable a samsung dex-style desktop mode

jauntywundrkind

Anyone want to place bets in whether this will be an unlockable bootloader, or some GrapheneOS only install path? Sure would be nice to have phones that can be rooted, or OS replaced. I've been hopeful this would perhaps enable that, but I fret my excitement may be premature.

matheusmoreira

Looking forward to this! Google is not competent enough to sell Pixels worldwide, it's a pain in the ass to buy one!

throwfaraway135

I get that you don't like Twitter/Facebook/Reddit or whatever, but a clear solution to this problem is to hurt googles public image as much as you can and for that you need a platform with as large of a reach as possible. edit: they have X but didn't post it there https://x.com/GrapheneOS

therealmarv

I just wonder how they handle full Google's certification for hardware integrity + Google Play Store with GrapheneOS. They contradict on this part on the normal GrapheneOS mod and I don't see a way how they will not on Motorola phones. Banking apps (e.g. Revolut) block GrapheneOS actively and many other apps too. But it will be interesting times once they are out!

Noaidi

This is good news but not so much good news for us poors. I was waiting four this announcement in hopes of getting away from google totally but with the 2026 Moto Signature going for $1000 I am sure the 2027 will be more so I will probably get Pixel 10 instead. Maybe this will lighten the price on the Pixel 10's though...

bushwart

High end Motorola phones :((( where is my Graphene flip phone?

florianherrengt

I'm surprised it took them that long. I always found it odd that they would support Google phones only.

florianherrengt

I was hoping for Fairphone support but they said it's not happening. > Fairphones lack the updates and hardware-based security features expected by GrapheneOS. https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2089937246619128257

zuzululu

it'd be great if you could dual boot with grapheneos hidden right now if you have it with you graphene just needlessly raises suspicions, its unjustified but thats what it is

crossroadsguy

Now if only there will be a normal sized phone (the old "normal") from Moto with such OEM endorsed kind of support of Graphene then I might as well let go of my fruit no. 17. Yes, I will.