Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

SilverElfin

Does this mean there’s no such thing as a “subscription” to ChatGPT for businesses? I thought they offered businesses a subscription with some amount of built in quota previously, including for the side products like codex and sora.

m-hodges

The days of subsidized access is rapidly coming to an end.

Rastonbury

So Anthropic bundled CC with Claude.ai cuz OAI bundled chatgpt with Codex, now OAI is unbundling, IPO must be around the corner. Writing is also on the wall for CC usage based subscriptions now that main competitor effectively got rid of it. How are the Chinese models looking?

__mharrison__

For the past month, I've been claiming that $20/mo codex is the best deal in AI. Now I'm going to have to find the new best deal.

Skunkleton

The title is misleading and not in the article. This change is for business/enterprise accounts. Also, these are still credit based. The change is that credits now operate on tokens like the API rather than on messages as they used to.

adamtaylor_13

Sounds like a death knell to me. If I recall correctly, Ed Zitron noted in a recent article that one of the horsemen of his AI-pocalypse would be price hikes from providers.

PhilippGille

Is this not just about extra credit? So what's included in the subscription doesn't change - just extra credits are now token based instead of message based? (For Plus/Pro)

alkonaut

Not only do I not keep up with the tech itself, I don’t even keep up with how to pay for it.

kvanbeek

So migrate to gemini now?

adi_kurian

Makes sense. Right now the subscriptions are like Uber as I remember it in NYC in 2014.

AstroBen

Things must be bad if they're doing this before their IPO

convexly

This pricing only really makes sense if the users can predict their usage, if not people that use this heavily are just going to be hamstrung and are going to start rationing their usage.

jamesu

The current pricing model (for plus) feels deliberately confusing to me, I can never really tell if I'm nearing any kind of limit with my account since nothing really seems to tell me.

supliminal

Any takes on how Codex compares to Claude? I mostly use it to run ahead, document, investigate and prep the actual implementation for Claude. Gemini burned me too many times but maybe the situation has improved since.

fabian2k

Is this something that is likely to also change the way Github Copilot bills? Right now the billing is message-based, not token-based. And OpenAI and Microsoft are rather opaquely intertwined in the AI space.

anuramat

from what they wrote, they're just changing how they measure the usage; might even be a good thing if you manage your context right: > This format replaces average per-message estimates for your plan with a direct mapping between token usage and credits. It is most useful when you want a clearer view of how input, cached input, and output affect credit consumption.

mrweasel

Why not just attach a real dollar amount, rather than using "credits"? Well, I know why. I just wanted to be snarky. It's just that trying to hide the actual price is getting a bit old. Just tell me that generating this much code will cost me $10.

gigatexal

good. just like the Claude model. getting the pricing to be in line with costs is the only way this remains sustainable.

flufluflufluffy

wouldn’t it be “usage based pricing” not “pricing based usage”

felixbraun

5h and weekly resets remain, but the quotas are now ‘filled’ differently?