Canceling "Hey"

franze

the discussed blogpost https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a

fhdkweig

Your left nav doesn't have a scrollbar and doesn't fit on a 16:9 laptop screen.

throwfaraway135

If you read canceling as part of the "cancel culture" and not canceling the subscription, then this two statements seam contradictory > Cancelling "Hey" > I definitely don't believe in trying to change people's minds by shouting at them or shaming them

eduction

Cool, way to prioritize your opinions. Now you just have to find an email platform run by people you always agree with about everything.

john_strinlai

> created by industry legend DHH DHH = david heinemeier hansson (ruby on rails creator)

Normal_gaussian

> I'm a big believer in live-and-let-live. That's why I don't have bad feelings towards DHH. I definitely don't believe in trying to change people's minds by shouting at them or shaming them. Hence the blog post.

andrewflnr

This is trying far too hard to be charitable. Mistake theory is great, and it's good that the article mentions it, but it then also presents sufficient evidence to prove, or at least substantiate, malice. At this point not having "bad feelings toward DHH" is itself a "Missing Mood". At any rate, though, the author took the correct action. Wolves are also pretty important, by the way. Hopefully we all know that by now?

roughly

I live in Oakland. Something I've noticed in a lot of the "THE CITY IS GOING TO HELL" commentary is that often people are pointing at visual symptoms - a homeless encampment, graffiti - as a proxy for "things are bad," and it doesn't take a lot of pulling on that thread before you get to "well just look at them," and it's real hard to cast that one in a "race-neutral" way. I've heard people complaining about hot dog vendors on the street as some kind of public nuisance, I've heard people point to wall murals as a sign of moral decay. Fine, that's your jam, that's what the suburbs are for, but if you don't like seeing poor people, make a society that doesn't create so goddamn many of them.

windowshopping

I used to admire that guy. I don't understand why anyone still works at Basecamp with posts like this to be honest. How do people justify it to themselves? Maybe it's just harder to switch jobs now with AI, I don't know.

busterarm

Hey is the only way I can have a public, usable email account anymore. I maintain a self-hosted whitelist-only email account for sensitive work but email for other purposes just isn't tenable anymore. If someone else comes along with a better product maybe I'll consider it.

moritzwarhier

I was really wanting to read this, I had a morbid interest in Hey.com's cancellation policy. After 3+ paragraphs and an effin PG quote, there still is no point. There once were angry submissions (or comments?) here about how hard it is to cancel NYT. I was expecting the Hey-version of that, instead I got long-winded prose that sounds like a bunch of college boys trying to sound smart. No thanks. I guess the E-mail-service is still overpriced due to them believing in non-existent value of their web client. If that's the point of the article, sorry, I didn't make it far enough.

politician

This article is about someone cancelling their subscription to software that was written by someone who is not in favor of allowing a population of immigrants frequently associated with criminal behavior to remain in Denmark. The author argues in favor of "individuated enforcement" wherein deportation is conditioned on the degree to which a migrant has contributed positively to the country.

watt

I think the author is taking umbrage with DHH using the word "gypsies" where it might have been "junkies" or just "homeless". I see it in Berlin, rise of agressive, smelly begging in U-Bahn (I witnessed a beggar actually attacking passengers, hitting a woman). People walking around having fully shit their pants. This, I presume, is tolerated in the name of individualism, that the individual is free to choose how they present themselves in the public, and walking around with pants fully shat must be some inalienable right. Area around Kottbusser Tor reeks of urine, and there's junkies fully out of it constantly screaming and fighting. Is somehow pointing this out is shameful and racist?

lnxg33k1

I wish people would get down their thrones and go to live near a gipsy camp before bitching about tolerance, I see all these champions of acceptance always living 20 metro stops from the last homeless

flockonus

I do find the author position to be incoherent in the following regard: 1. believe a statement can be true or false, and false should be called out. 2. believe deportation is morally wrong in certain cases, that is, the law can be selectively broken. I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. That eliminates margin for corruption and lenience. A strong law also creates incentive for the population to care about the letter of the law and reforms, since it becomes a known fact that such law will be followed through. The worst of both worlds is a situation like in US or EU where immigrants "more or less" can settle, but live under constant pressure knowing there is no legal framework to support them, and deportation may come at any moment.

kylemaxwell

I think a lot of folks - myself included - canceled our Hey subscriptions years ago when DHH said some other unfortunate things. I don't have to agree with everyone on everything, not even people I do business with. But I do try to limit supporting people who have actively advocated for things that harm my family. Say what you will about Apple (where I transitioned), but they're the "least evil" option from my perspective. Others are of course welcome to their own perspectives and choices.

jakubadamw

DHH’s blog post was, to put it simply, spot on. You disagree with that, and that’s fine. But to cancel a subscription for another service entirely, because someone used a blog platform of the same provider to publish something you were repulsed by – this seems like a really bizarre way of managing your emotion. By this logic I should feel compelled to delete my HN account, delete all my social media and cancel all press subscriptions…

throwfaraway135

There are a lot of people who thrive in high trust societies and suffer in chaotic alternative. Pretending that diversity doesn't have a cost is plain wrong.

jjkaczor

Sigh. While every wolf may be a predator - that does not necessarily mean they are they are dangerous to all potential types of prey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Cry_Wolf

elohssa

This whole article seems like a straw man. Chad seems to be arguing: 1. DHH thinks all gypsies are bad, therefor 2. DHH does not see Roma as individual people, therefor 3. DHH is a bad person. I read DHH's blog as: 1. It should still be illegal to camp in parks, therefor 2. People who do camp in parks should be housed, therefor 3. Foreigners who refuse housing should be deported.