New paper by Sakana.ai [1] [1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.31022
cs702
~85% accuracy on MNIST. Sigh. How does it do on CIFAR-10, or even better, ImageNet? Interesting research, not sure it's a backprop alternative. === EDIT: accuracy on MNIST is not ~90%. It's ~85%.
AIorNot
Oh wow the theoretical implications in neuroscience exite me here - is this a potential model of Fristons Markov Blanket concept “ Probably the most ambitious and all-encompassing version of the ‘Bayesian turn’ in cognitive science is the free energy principle (FEP). The FEP is a mathematical framework, developed by Karl Friston and colleagues (Friston, Kilner, and Harrison 2006; Friston et al. 2010; Friston 2010; Friston et al. 2017a; Friston 2019), which specifies an objective function that any self-organizing system needs to minimize in order to ensure adaptive exchanges with its environment. One major appeal of the FEP is that it aims for (and seems to deliver) an unprecedented integration of the life sciences (including psychology, neuroscience, and theoretical biology). The difference between the FEP and earlier inferential theories (e.g., Gregory 1980, Grossberg 1980, Rao and Ballard 1999, Lee and Mumford 2003) is that not only perceptual processes, but also other cognitive functions such as learning, attention, and action planning can be subsumed under one single principle: the minimization of free energy through the process of active inference (Friston 2010; Friston et al. 2017). ”
lukeinator42
There is a lot of interesting research into predictive coding as an alternative means to solve the credit assignment problem that might be a more plausible model of what happens in the brain. I really liked this paper that showed using a predictive coding learning rule leads to the exact same gradients as backprop in arbitrary networks: Predictive Coding Approximates Backprop Along Arbitrary Computation Graphs https://direct.mit.edu/neco/article/34/6/1329/110646/Predict...
mikelitoris
Rolls right off the tongue
Jeff_Brown
Could this relate to continual learning? It lets you update without pausing the entire system.
rao-v
I wonder if you could take a traditional backprop trained LLM and apply this approach to finetuning it (presumably needs less memory and compute?). It could be another entry in the spectrum between LORA and full fine tuning.
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guld
New paper by Sakana.ai [1] [1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.31022
cs702
~85% accuracy on MNIST. Sigh. How does it do on CIFAR-10, or even better, ImageNet? Interesting research, not sure it's a backprop alternative. === EDIT: accuracy on MNIST is not ~90%. It's ~85%.
AIorNot
Oh wow the theoretical implications in neuroscience exite me here - is this a potential model of Fristons Markov Blanket concept “ Probably the most ambitious and all-encompassing version of the ‘Bayesian turn’ in cognitive science is the free energy principle (FEP). The FEP is a mathematical framework, developed by Karl Friston and colleagues (Friston, Kilner, and Harrison 2006; Friston et al. 2010; Friston 2010; Friston et al. 2017a; Friston 2019), which specifies an objective function that any self-organizing system needs to minimize in order to ensure adaptive exchanges with its environment. One major appeal of the FEP is that it aims for (and seems to deliver) an unprecedented integration of the life sciences (including psychology, neuroscience, and theoretical biology). The difference between the FEP and earlier inferential theories (e.g., Gregory 1980, Grossberg 1980, Rao and Ballard 1999, Lee and Mumford 2003) is that not only perceptual processes, but also other cognitive functions such as learning, attention, and action planning can be subsumed under one single principle: the minimization of free energy through the process of active inference (Friston 2010; Friston et al. 2017). ”
lukeinator42
There is a lot of interesting research into predictive coding as an alternative means to solve the credit assignment problem that might be a more plausible model of what happens in the brain. I really liked this paper that showed using a predictive coding learning rule leads to the exact same gradients as backprop in arbitrary networks: Predictive Coding Approximates Backprop Along Arbitrary Computation Graphs https://direct.mit.edu/neco/article/34/6/1329/110646/Predict...
mikelitoris
Rolls right off the tongue
Jeff_Brown
Could this relate to continual learning? It lets you update without pausing the entire system.
rao-v
I wonder if you could take a traditional backprop trained LLM and apply this approach to finetuning it (presumably needs less memory and compute?). It could be another entry in the spectrum between LORA and full fine tuning.